That also is illegal in Europe. They must answer those questions. That is Our right ad a European citizen. They can not sanction you for this.

Every European which user should now use its GDPR rights and ask them what data they have of us and what they do with it.

Oh, Russia responds?

So. You tell me Russia did not start killing civilians?

https://ukraine.ohchr.org/en/reports/protection-of-civilians

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“Person of interest” and 1984 should be works if fiction and not tutorials

I use the German digital id since years. Without enforced Google.

Because the German (older) app does not depend on it.

So no, that’s not true. It is an assumption and pessimism

Proven right with what? To be clear; I can not see in the future and if member states copy the EU implementation 1:1, then at least we can fight against it in that level. Because, an implementation relying ok US Google would violate multiple European regulations.

But as it seems, misinformation and propaganda won, facts are now subjective and we just give up and bow to big corpo, because those shit hats profit from exactly this kind of bullshit.

Final try, this is the official new workflow from Google.

Did you know this existed? Are you aware while not very convenient or restores the full sideloading functionality once you went through this process?

What the fuck are we even debating about if facts, provable fucking facts, are ignored

How do you now that?

Again, the ability to install a completely unverified APK is used in real, successful, attacks.

The user DOES NOT KNOW WHAT HE IS DOING! That is the entire point!

If users would know what this is and understand, maybe it would be less if a risk.

Maybe look at other threads here where I debate the actual issue. An actual debate.

Ah another myth “the EU App”, I will not go I to detail, but each member state must implement its own app. Yes, the reference implementation uses Google services currently, but there is not a single , working , published app! Not one.

That is a general issue of online debates.

I can not squash 20 years of daily learning into a comment.

I can point you to sources where you can verify it our self. Social engineering studies, blog post about campaigns from other researchers.

Placing m credentials there is my kind of saying “I have insight, ask”, but how do you think should something like this communicated.

We have a highly sensitive topic, with a lot of obsolete or just misinformation.

It is a highly complex topic that can not be simply understood by most persons, but social media opens a place for debate anyways.

There are many other examples for this happening and it is bad. Very bad.

Another example Google wants to get rid of third party cookies. Instead they want to to adspace action on your local system. In our browser, protected. But bad, because Google. Firefox could implement the same API on better, but no, bad because Google.

Google is not the good guy. But just throwing out every fucking Idea because Google Had it (or was forced into it, allowing sideloading again was because of pressure) is just not what we need

How about an apple phone?

Or how about that: projects like Linux and Ubuntu phones died because there was no interest in it, because there was Google. And now, everybody wants an alternative.

They are out there, you can use opensource Android forks, you don’t have to use Google

What? “Will install” not “have installed”. Maybe “would” is a better word, English is not my first language and I have a bad day, but there is no moving goal post.

Not denying that there could be better ways, and also, that was never the question .

That is why I linked sources. I don’t say trust me bro.

Then just don’t use an android phone, that’s a choice isn’t it???

I am 100% serious. Maybe you should look up what social engineering is and how it works.

People install TeamViewer and other stuff on their desktop, the execute commands in their terminal without nowing what it is.

ou have clearly 0 qualifications to talk about it security

How does somebody give his bank account creds to a scammer?

Because people do not know what apps are and that they can be installed via sideloading, faked appstores and more, they are vulnerable.

If I ask a “normal” person if the ever drunk di-hydrogen-monoxid they would say no, because they have no idea this is water