7bicycles [he/him]

Meanwhile, in the real world we must be concerned with actually viable change.

Real Zach Brannigan hours here on account of “It might get a lot of other people killed but that’s a sacrifice I’m willing to make”

You are inventing a fantasy reality to suit an anti car obsession. One I share, car reduction is good. However you’re being a tit now.

What part of this is fantasy. Like where do you see the political potential for a nigh nationwide road redesign.

A negative in the short term leads to a longterm positive.

I do not want to die a martyr to the fight against traffic cams.

Also I see no other method of doing this. If you go to the council and say “I want to replace this highly profitable traffic camera making hundreds of thousands per year with a traffic island that will make no money at all” the decision that any team will make internally is obvious.

That kind of poses the second question as to what, in the interim, will be cut as per budget, but that’s a sidenote. I guarantee you without change far reaching enough to societally gain a new understanding of public space and roads, when the last speed cam is dismantled you’ll find all the roads still suck ass and will not be redesigned. Once you have the change so far reaching that you can reunderstand basically every road, yeah, then you don’t need the traffic cams anymore and they can be dismantled.

but genuinely he has a bit about this. toilet habits are oddly politically important

Having been to court twice for online related stuff I will absolutely couch this shit.

Fair, I meant it more on “don’t do it on my accord”

I do not see how that question is doing anything but attempting some sort of gotcha or accusation that these people

Your these people just seems to have some very oddly drawn lines is the heart of it. It does include poor drivers, to whom speed cameras are a problem and not that much of a solution, it does not seem to include poor people not in a car, who profit from this. My FALGSOC doesn’t have speed cameras in it - who’s would - but it’s a long way from here to there.

deserve to be fucked over instead of have real designs that don’t result in their lives being made harder. It seems like spite to me.

This is running on the assumption that I think people deserve to be fucked over for speeding, and that’s the main motivation. Sure, some of them, but that’s not the kind of distinction a speed cam could make on account of how it works. I’d very much be open to them not issuing fines but other punishments - as appropiate - to not make them so classist. Loss of driving license, if you really, really fuck up in a sports car that gets impounded or such, but I’ll concede, even that is far out from today, but just to point it out,

My point here is that for every one it fucks over, it helps other people not being fucked over, because it does do something against speeding. My line of reasoning for speed cams is not that it fucks people over, it’s that it helps people. You wanna focus on the first part, I’m trying to get you to see the issue is more complex than that, at least if you include people outside of cars in your consideration. They’re not a good solution, by any means, again, I assume our optimal way of solving it is quite similar. For the meantime though, the fuck else do you do? Just abandon all traffic enforcement until all the roads get fixed? So what, 20 years of being vulnerable road users being even more endangered than now?

You can just say yes, you don’t have to couch this shit in a good WKUK skit.

Do they do harm to the poor that are on bicycles, or walking, then?

The process and length of time it takes for either option are practically the same.

Sure, but you’re arguing for like instant speed camera abolishment or destruction here, aye?

Not to mention a traffic island costs like £3k while a camera costs £85k (guess why they pick the camera despite the price).

Dunno if you got to that one already but I’ve did a reply pointing out where you’re a bit off there

Croydon council responded to FOI request stating it costs £2.5-£3.5k to install traffic islands. The cost of a speed camera installation on the other hand is £85,000 according to Bedford Council, with a £5000 annual upkeep cost.

Croydon cites average cost for roughly such an action at 2,5k - 3,5k in a denial of the FOI request which means there’s pretty much no way to know how much it actually costs depending on what they calculate the average on and if you have any idea about the cost of public works that number should strike you as very, very oddly low.

Wiltshire government here cites about 45.000k for a traffic island narrowing a road to one lane, all in all.

The source you cite for the cameras, however, puts those costs for 2 cameras, so 42,500 a pop / 2500 upkeep annual, albeit with returns via fines obviously.

You want people to actually slow down? Redesign the road.

I’ve posed this question elsewhere in this thread and: what until then? Like what do you do until a good, what, 50 - 90% of road depending on criteria, is redesigned?

What’s your usual transportation method?

It’s a bad TL;DR but they do lay out why it’s illegal

just roads that “require” speed cameras.

So when’s that the case or not

Why not?

Because that’s hardly what can be considered a realistic solution. Again, not against it, but what, are you gonna close down like 90% of roads? Only some of them, if so, which ones, and how is stuff handled on the ones that remain open?

I’m not sure if you’re being serious here

Speaking from germany, 33 in a 30 wouldn’t even trip the speed cams here. Earliest infraction is basically doing 6mph over on a 30mph road, which would come at 50€ fine. We apparently also have 50 times less speed cameras and it absolutely does not stop people from fucking malding over them. They have to be designed bulletproof here now and even those still get regularly blown up. None of the points you raise change anything about it, because the core issue is people are terminally car brained

The US, for instance, doesn’t have speed cameras

That’s just straight up wrong.

I mean so what’s to be done then. I agree on “redesign pretty much every street or road” but like, until then, it’s just a great big free for all?

was the handlebar fine tho

Yeah I’d argue this is probably true for bigger pets but the LD50 of stuff on your 2lb guinea pig is hit shockingly fast. Gotta watch out for the small, furry comrades

Buy the cheapest version of it and of you use it enough to either break it or figure out what parts of the design you don’t like it’s a good sign spending a little extra on a better version isn’t a waste.

Agree’d, albeit with the caveat that if it’s about screws, you wanna spend at least some money on the part that actually connects with the screws, so, the bits. Doesn’t really matter all that much if your harbour freight e-motor on your drill burns out, if you fuck up all the screws on whatever you’re working on with shit bits that’s gonna be a hassle.

But even then, that’s like “pay more than the $0 free offer on alibaba” territory of spending. After that, the dimensions and tolerances are fine, it’s just gonna be longevity.

Most stuff on a bicycle for the average person unless it’s carbon, plastics or electronics. Including safety stuff. Some caveat if you wanna huck yourself off a mountain or do like 100kph descents on your roadbikes.

But for the most stuff? The cheap shit works absolutely fine because at it’s core it’s bits of formed metal with threads attached connected by steel wires. Very hard to fuck any of that up to the point it becomes dangerous. I keep seeing parts being rated as SAFETY LEVEL 5 E-BIKE READY as if the metal rod that is my handlebar usually disintegrates once I hit the ludicrous speed of [checks notes] 25kph. Your $2 Alibaba Special V-Brakes are, at worst, gonna have garbage springs so it doesn’t return to not-braking great, but you’re not gonna like snap them in half even if you were a gorilla riding a bicycle.