• VoxAliorum@lemmy.ml
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    13 days ago

    I hate how these terms are used colloquially. Here are wikipedia’s definitions:

    Conservatism is a cultural, social, and political philosophy and ideology that seeks to promote and preserve traditional institutions, customs, and values.

    Liberalism is a political and moral philosophy based on the rights of the individual, liberty, consent of the governed, political equality, right to private property, and equality before the law.

    So no. The definitions are very different. Now you can say that liberals and conservatives are similar in your country or that you live in liberalism and therefore trying to keep it is conservatism, but there is no necessary overlap afaik.

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      13 days ago

      Conservatism is a cultural, social, and political philosophy and ideology that seeks to promote and preserve traditional institutions, customs, and values.

      Liberalism is a political and moral philosophy based on the rights of the individual, liberty, consent of the governed, political equality, right to private property, and equality before the law.

      These are just different ways of describing support for the status quo with different flavor modifiers. The core of both is the protection of Capital from any threats from the left (aka socialism, the democracy of the workers, removing power from the owners of capital).

      This is why from a leftist perspective, they are essentially the same in that they both are against any actual emancipation of the working class if it threatens the existing power structures of capital owners.

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      13 days ago

      since we’re unironically using wikipedia as a source for some reason, you’re conflating liberalism (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberalism) with social liberalism (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_liberalism).

      you are the one using the terms colloquially. americans might use the terms conservative and liberal to represent republican voters and democrat voters respectively, but both of those ideologies are different flavors of liberalism as the rest of the world understands it.

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        12 days ago

        I can’t follow how I am conflating them or how I am using them colloquially. I am not sure if conflating makes sense here.

        I am not American. When I speak about conservative and liberal I am not speaking about political parties in America.

        Using Wikipedia as a source in a paper is not a good idea. This is not a paper. (I have written an essay on Nozick’s libertarianism when I studied philosophy though; it’s been ages so can’t remember much, but I didn’t use wikipedia there :P)