• wheezy@lemmy.ml
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    6 hours ago

    People are capable of change. But until that change actually occurs we can’t live in a world in which we try to save them at the cost of other good people.

    There is a difference between trying to change the average American and remove their reactionary ideas and an ICE agent. We should waste zero effort in caring about “saving” ICE. They are Nazis. And should be treated as such.

    We are currently in the “shame” phase of ICE. We have quickly moved passed trying to use the liberal state to fight them. The Democratic party has made it clear they won’t. So now we are in the peaceful protest and shame phase.

    When filming them becomes illegal. When insulting them is considered inciting violence. There will be no peaceful means left.

    And we have arrived at that all but on paper. When the state declares these too as illegal acts. They will further be emboldened to brutalize us.

    It is at that point that no means of resistance will remain that is nonviolent. But unfortunately, I think a lot of Americans won’t realize this until many well intentioned non violent people are slaughtered.

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      Mad? No, but will I point out that the US military/every military spends ungodly sums of money on propaganda whether it be movies or video games or books or art to get dumb young men to join. Do I blame people for being propagandized from birth? No. Does that excuse the people who joined just because they wanted to kill people? No. Do I think people are capable of change? Yes. Its not like there isn’t plenty of military propaganda on this website.

      How I feel rn: 😮‍💨

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        I get that, but joining knowing full well you will probably kill someone or help others do that is still extremely fucked up, it wouldn’t happen if they saw us (people in the global south) as humans equal to them

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          Yeah it is I’m not denying it, but as a person who has often experienced the urge to hurt people I can’t pretend I’m some saint I just do everything I can to avoid that urge and the people and things that try to stir it up in me…

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        I don’t think what you’re saying here is unfair. I will also point out that the intentions of troops matter little to their victims, which I think is really the point the meme is making.

        How I feel rn: 😮‍💨

        Yeah, me too. yea

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          Of course it doesn’t I completely agree with you, but honestly the military is fucking demonic and the urge to harm other people can come from lots of places, I wish I could say I’m immune to it I’m not sadly and neither are you probably. I think you’re misinterpreting the meme a bit, I feel it’s a lot more mean spirited. This isn’t a personal attack by the way.

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            Hey, this is also not a personal attack. I don’t know if I’m the outlier here or not, but I figured I’d mention it and others can weigh in.

            I don’t get the urge to hurt people, not that I don’t hurt people, but it’s unintentional or uncomfortable for me. I get the urge to prove people wrong, but I only feel dread when I need to hurt people (not harm them, but I’m a teacher, so I have to have tough conversations with students sometimes).

            If you get the urge to hurt people, vote this comment down, if you don’t, vote it up.

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              I’ve worked for various militaries and governments, the decisions I’ve made have hurt people, when I say hurt I don’t mean physical harm but the choices I’ve made have impacted people lives. When people celebrate war they have the urge to hurt people whether they want to admit it or not.

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                Yeah, most people have to occasionally hurt others, though I’m not sure how they feel about it.

                I believe that some people cannot coexist with others without being hurt (eg. imprisoned), but I don’t relish the thought, especially not in the context of war. If I could choose, I’d institute a gift-based Potlach system (but I have no real enforcement mechanism without violence, so…).

                To be clear, I’m not being judgmental about this, I don’t think anyone should be judged for their thoughts, I just don’t have those thoughts.

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    Oh, I get it! It’s funny because in real life the kid would never get to see soldier do the murdering, and if he did, he’d be dead! It’s absurd ohhhhhhh ha