What’s your go-to OSS navigation app? I’ve been trying the three in the title. CoMaps is a fork of Organic but Osm seems to be its own thing. Honestly haven’t seen a reason yet to prefer one over another besides Osm’s pretty bad name.
For public transit (trains buses etc) I use Transit, it’s not OSS but the company aligns strongly with me and I like that their employees get four-day workweeks: https://transitapp.com/vision However if there’s a OSS alternative I’m not aware of I’m always willing to try it.
For finding businesses I would not expect much… there seems to be no good answer that isn’t Yelp or Google Maps, and of course that kinda goes by the nature of crowd sourced reviews and information. I have GMaps WV but it’s kind clunky and I just ended up falling back to Maps unfortunately.
EDIT: Forgot to mention biking. I live in a not-so-bike friendly suburb and have actually found that Google gives me WORSE bike routes than OsmAnd, for what it’s worth. The OSM route tends to be more roundabout but safer. My guess is you get more urbanist minded people contributing to these, so that’s nice to see.
For off-road and hiking: (properly customized) OsmAnd is the best app in existence, hands down. My setup shows me all the information there is: surface type, road quality, required road clearance for tracks; surface, incline, difficulty, obstacles for trails; surface, vegetation, elevation, steepness for completely off-road/off-path sections; all the amenities that are there (water sources, picnic tables, random gas stations in the middle of nowhere); easily switchable and overlayed layers to look at aerial imagery if something is unclear on the vector map; and there is a 3D map to help visualize the terrain, which works both with vector maps from OSM, aerial imagery, and the combination of both (which has saved my ass on a couple occasions). All of this can be fully offline (including pre-downloading aerial imagery) which is indispensable when you’re in the middle of nowhere.
I avoid driving in cities at all costs (out of principle, shout out https://lemmy.ml/c/fuck_cars, but also practicality). When I really have to, I use OsmAnd. It’s perhaps not ideal (way too much information density even if you disable most things) but I’m using it when I get there anyway so why switch.
For walking in cities: OsmAnd is ok. I have a profile which disables most details and makes the map readable.
For cycling: OsmAnd is ok, but for some reason routing always takes ages, and I’ve never figured out why. If I need to take a longer trip I just use CoMaps - it gives slightly worse directions but finds the way nearly instantly.
For city transit: I mostly know the routes in my city already, but when I’m in an unfamiliar part of town I use the city’s transit app. It’s OSM-based, doesn’t require google play services or anything like that, provides great routing and instructions and live position updates. Sadly OsmAnd is not a good fit for this purpose: it takes forever to load the routes, and the coverage on OSM is not good enough to be 100% reliable.
For inter-city transit: sadly it’s not too good here, and it’s very badly mapped; I tend to give up and resort to rome2rio. I can usually find a phone number of the bus driver to call and figure out the current schedule.
For finding businesses I would not expect much… there seems to be no good answer that isn’t Yelp or Google Maps, and of course that kinda goes by the nature of crowd sourced reviews and information.
This is where you can actually contribute yourself. Adding businesses to OSM is trivial with something like StreetComplete or EveryDoor. The OSM community is strong where I live so I can find almost any business I would want to visit.
My experience has been OSMAnd feels “heavy”. It is a large app but i guess there’s so much it just feels sluggish. But it has the most features which I use as my go to reference.
Organic maps (and CoMaps) feels sleeker and quicker but when im on the road I want traffic updates.
For the last few years my go to is Magic Earth for the traffic data.
My issues with OSM is a lot of missing information and incorrect roads. I have contributed updates but when I’m driving and I come across something wrong there’s no way for me to flag it so i can revisit it later.
All in all I’m still torn between them all and still waiting for the day one ticks all the boxes.
More often than not I find I end up using Google Maps to get me out of a wrong or missing turn or to the final destination because finding places on OSM isn’t there yet. If OSM gets something wrong when I’m driving I don’t have time to faff around trying to fix it so GMaps takes over the rest of the way and I dislike having to do so
Someone else had mentioned Magic Earth but I was under the impression that it was another big tech thing (I guess I was thinking of Google Earth) but you saying it again made me check it out.
Seems like not OSS but their claim of privacy focus actually makes me interested so I’ll try it out! I’m even okay with the small fee, I know servers cost money to run. Glad to see they’re working on a non-Google or Apple payment.
Just to clarify, OSM is the acronym for Open Street Map, which is just the map/database
OsmAND, comaps, and organicmaps are all apps/clients that use OSM as their source of map data, and add gps navigation functionality
Comaps was forked recently cause there were some issues with organic maps being run in kind of a crummy way that wasn’t in line with the community, if I understand right. But I’m sure someone more knowledgeable could elaborate better
I dunno if this clarification was needed or helpful but I figured I’d add it in case it’s of help :)
I like the organic maps UI, and I have liked the OsmAND functionality, but I’m still working on transitioning away from google maps so I have limited perspective. I do know there’s an app that wraps the google maps website so you can use it without google servicesor whatever and potentially less risk of tracking, and that may be of use depending on your needs!
Oh I’m aware of the “Osm” meaning.
I still think it’s a bad name 😅 how does someone unfamiliar with OSM pronounce it? Why is there a tilde?!
OSM is just pronounced open street map or as an acronym- O.S.M.
The tilde isn’t from OSM, it’s from OsmAnd (the navigation app), and I thing it’s used to communicate whether you’re running the version from f-droid, or the play store version? I agree that’s confusing and makes for an awkward name though
OpenStreetMap - always. Or OSM~ if you like…
Yesterday I had a nice moment watching my SO use CoMaps for the first time via my phone. I was driving, so couldn’t mess with adding an intermediate stop to the navigation, and she did it instead.
Anyhow, she’s literally never used the app before, and quickly found the business listing and added it to nav. I mean, she’s a smart person so her competence is not a surprise, but it speaks well of CoMaps and OSM that someone who is used to using Google Maps exclusively for years could just pick up this FOSS app and do what she needed painlessly.
It’s encouraging to me to see how increasingly nice an experience it is to be able to not use Google or Apple maps at all these days.
i mainly bike and am in america (its shitty). i search on GM for a company, grab the address, plug it in to OSMand, and use the bike routing - its extremely good.
there are options in OSMand where you can “prefer biways” - use it… its great. every time there is a bad, unsafe, or non-existant crossing, you can tap-hold -> avoid road and it will only avoid that tiny block you selected. sooooooooo good.
im biking ~7mi one-way this evening (do it once weekly; its a bit longer than my usual rides of <3mi), but all of the roads i hate are already avoided, and i only have to take a little bit of unpaved rocky shit “sidewalk” path to get there (a super busy freeway overpass; im not riding in the street)
Thanks for sharing this! I just started using OsmAnd for biking and missed this nice detail.
Google Maps would take me through some awful stroads pretty regularly, so I’ll be glad for a safer route even if it takes longer.
Public transit!!! Yes there is one and I love it. It’s called Bimba and it’s in its earliest stages. Listen, I used Transit sit as well. It’s flawless. But it runs through play services and gmaps. Using organic maps/open street map based location services takes your location data away from the tech oligarchy and puts it back into your individual ownership. With that said, if you use the transit app your erasing that data gain and handing it right back to the tech ogarchy.
Bimba really needs users in order to be successful in its early stages. Use the first option when you go to select your map and transit services, that is if you’re unfortunately also an American right now. Expect some bugs and issues when learning it. That smoothens out. Always make sure to pinpoint your location on the map first. Always favorite your frequent transit stops for instant loading. There’s a lot of other transit map database options but I confirmed my city worked with only the first option. Again I swear it’s dependable once your usual stops are all favorited, it gets situated enough to quickly pinpoint you and you get the right databases setup. I hope Bimba works for your city!
Hey thanks for sharing this! I’ll try Bimba. I’m planning on switching to GrapheneOS soon so the less stuff reliant on G services the better, as much as I like the Transit app.
Edit seems like it’s a bit limited on its coverage, with little to speak of in the US :(
Was hoping to get Chicagoland metro area transit.
Dang that’s unfortunate! Well transit is still very valid. Yeah I guess I was in like one of two cities or so it supports. I got really lucky. But transit only had theee minor trackers on it. It just uses googlemaps. I found it to be the best app for transit though. Bimba can’t compare due to it being so early on. But yeah it looked like Bimba was mostly for Europe and for some reason they like my city.
I’ve been contributing business hours and websites to OSM via CoMaps for a few weeks now. OSM needs that as a minimum to make it viable over Google Maps for me. Business discovery with Google Maps will be a huge challenge to match; Google is able to trawl its huge database of reviews for keywords so I can search “vegan cinnamon roll” and get results.
I use Transit App for bus schedules and routing.
CoMaps car/bike/walk/hike navigation has worked pretty well for me, but the turn by turn directions and voice are not as good as Google Maps. I’ve also been finding Google Maps routes are becoming laughably bad and it really irritates me I have to review a route before taking it now. Google keeps trying to route me through alleys and other dumb zig zag paths lately.
I have comaps installed but overall I don’t think it matters a great deal which open street maps app you use, they’re all really similar. I try to contribute business info when I remember to do so but there doesn’t seem to be any yelp/google business equivalent. Need something that hosts user reviews and pictures and some way to moderate that in a decentralized enough community way. Can’t beat Google maps without the business pages and crowd sourced data
For road nav I have found Organic Maps to be better than Osmand but both sort of suck. Neither are as good as a Garmin non-connected GPS from the 1990s. I haven’t tried Comaps. Organic’s map data is just fine, but it is pretty terrible at navigating and not so good at route finding. Also you get huge bloaty map updates 1x a month or so. The roads don’t move around that fast! I hate Google but I usually end up using Google Maps unless I don’t mind long delays while Organic gets its act together.
For hiking Organic is supposed to be great, though I haven’t used it much that way myself.
For transit, as far as I can tell, everything sucks including Google.
I use CoMaps these days (previously I used OrganicMaps). CoMaps has just added Panoramax images, which is very nice.