China: Democracy, incorrect thought, Taiwan and Uyghurs are our biggest threats.
Chinese citizens both think democracy is important at higher rates than the west, and believes their country to be democratic and represent their interests fairly at much higher rates than the west:
Taiwan isn’t a threat to the PRC, and neither is Xinjiang nor the Uyghurs living there and elsewhere.
I still don’t like the social credit thing, but I at the same time I wouldnt mind moving to Sweden from the US if I had the chance
You don’t even understand the social credit thing. You have no idea what it is, how much of it is real versus propaganda, and how it differs from the credit score system in the US.
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The social credit system is really overblown, it isn’t extensive and it’s more for businesses to prevent tax evasion and whatnot.
And in this one by the European union they rank themselves lower or equal to western countries. As well as ranking low on things like freedom of speech and separation of power.
Perceived democracy survey by the EU 2025
One survey, be it from the EU or Harvard doesn’t really prove anything. If you want to convince people then you should find a meta analysis.
That survey acknowledges that different countries see democracy differently, both in what it is and what the purpose of democracy is. The EU, for example, says it’s about “protecting individual rights and freedoms,” while China says it’s about “improving living standards and well-being.”
The kicker is that they specifically ask questions surrounding how well a country abides by liberal, capitalist democracy while not asking how well a country abides by socialist democracy! As you admit, they focus on concepts like “separation of powers,” or “freedom of the private press,” or “political pluralism,” as well as “peaceful transition of power.” This fundamentally is meant to disqualify socialist concepts of democracy, focused on cooperation, cohesion, social unity, rule by the common people, and limiting of the powers of the wealthy over society.
Ultimately, both polls are accurate. What’s dishonest is the EU poll framing democracy purely in a liberal manner. It isn’t a survey about democracy, it’s a survey about how well a country abides by Eurocentric, liberal democracy. This isn’t an example of polls conflicting each other, when polled in a manner that reflects how well society represents the interests of the common person, the poll I cited is a much better reflection.
You may need to work on your media literacy.
freedom of the private press
I apologise but my media literacy is so bad I can’t find where press is even mentioned in the document. The closest I could find is freedom of speech but those are two different things.
As you admit, they focus on concepts like “separation of powers,” or “freedom of the private press,” or “political pluralism,” as well as “peaceful transition of power.” This fundamentally is meant to disqualify socialist concepts of democracy, focused on cooperation, cohesion, social unity, rule by the common people, and limiting of the powers of the wealthy over society.
How do those “fundamentally disqualify” democracies that focus on “cooperation, cohesion, social unity, rule by the common people and limiting the powers of the wealthy over society”?
I would have thought that separation of powers makes it easier to limit the power of the wealthy. Does that concept impede cohesion, cooperation, social unity or rule by the common people in any way? How can the common people have any chance to rule if you don’t have courts that make sure the law is upheld by the powerful?
In my very limited worldview political pluralism plays a pivotal role in establishing a functioning socialist democracy. Yes, having many differing opinions on any given topic slows the decision making process down. However, how can you expect the marginalized to be represented in any way if you don’t have a party representing them? But I guess if you educate your people properly then even in a population of 1.4 billion people everyone’s political opinions can be represented by a single party.
As for peaceful transition of power, how is that bad exactly?
Since we’re cherry picking questions here, how do “government transparency”, " freedom of speech" or “rule of law” prohibit the rule of the common people? I would think that they only help strengthen the common people? How are they at odds with any of the other socialist concepts you mentioned?
Please excuse my stupid questions, as you mentioned, my media literacy is terrible so I don’t even understand these really basic concepts.
Super interesting survey, thanks for sharing.
Democracy: China is constantly evolving it’s democratic mechanisms, currently referred to as whole process democracy. In the West you can change the party but not the policies. In China you can change the policies but not the party.
Incorrect Thought: yes defending the KKK with arguments for free speech is not the high minded position you think it is. Incorrect Thought includes fascism, cultism, chauvinism, and neoliberalism. Working against those things is a perennial obligation of any liberatory movement.
Taiwan: China does not see Taiwan as a threat at all. They see the US and UK as a threat and they see Taiwan as a vulnerability. Not the least of which because the US has openly published strategy documents detailing the Pacific Kill Chain which projects lethal nuclear force at China and it uses Taiwan as the key component of that kill chain.
Uyghurs: Uyghurs aren’t a threat, Uyghur terrorists trained by the US as part of their never ending program of training terrorists and radicalizing people - that’s the threat. Uyghurs in China who are not connected to the terrorist trainings are for the most part completely unaffected by China’s de-escalation program. And China’s de-escalation program has worked incredibly well when you look at the raw numbers of terrorist attacks Xinjiang over the last decade.
China: political dissidents are our biggest threat
Not really, billionaires are kept in check. Corruption was a big issue in the 2000s, but the majority of the opportunists were already purged. At the same time, the PRC has dedicated a huge portion of its economy to electrification and green energy, as well as combatting desertification.
China is also quite democratic, which is why it takes climate change seriously:
China doesn’t spend that much time on political dissidents in comparison to the US. The US has been chasing Assange and Snowden for decades now, they have Manning in prison probably for life, they had Peltier in prison until he was basically at deaths door. And they constantly renew and redouble their efforts to attack these dissidents. Meanwhile in China they spend way more effort on reducing the number of billionaires than they do reducing the number of political dissidents.
If China is so great, why the constant need for propaganda?
If China is so bad, why the constant need for propaganda?
Ultimately, all media pushing a narrative is propaganda. Propaganda isn’t bad in and of itself, it can be used to push good messaging and good information. The reason why there’s strong pushes for pro-China sentiment from the left is because right now, in the west, the majority sentiment is anti-PRC based on US State Department narratives.
I see way more “China is good”-propaganda than any other nation or group of nations
Edit: they are also quick to downvote, delete my comment or ban me when I write things like this
Have you ever seen a super cut on YouTube of 50 US news stations literally repeating the exact same line over and over and over again?
Depends on the space you’re in.
China is building the worlds largest dam that is going to cut off a huge amount of water to India.
The US has done this pretty deliberately as part of their genocide of the indigenous peoples. China and India are in peer conversations as sovereigns and negotiating their differences as equals.
A repost again. Let’s see if this comment gets deleted like last time. The irony of censoring a comment on free speech is lost on bigots, but still funny.
China: Democracy and Free Speech are our greatest threat.
Democracy: China is constantly evolving it’s democratic mechanisms, currently referred to as whole process democracy. In the West you can change the party but not the policies. In China you can change the policies but not the party.
Free Speech: defending the KKK with arguments for free speech is not the high minded position you think it is. Free speech includes fascism, cultism, chauvinism, and neoliberalism. Working against those things is a perennial obligation of any liberatory movement.
I’ll repost my response, then:
The opposite is true, actually.
According to the most recent report (2024), people in China have overwhelmingly positive views of their political system. 92% of people say that democracy is important to them, 79% say that their country is democratic, 91% say that the government serves the interests of most people (rather than a small group), and 85% say all people have equal rights before the law. Furthermore, China outperforms the US and most European countries on these indicators – in fact, it has some of the strongest results in the world. The figure below compares China’s results to those from the US, France and Britain. These results may help explain the high levels of satisfaction with government reported by the Ash Center.
