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    Pretty clear neither of these imperialists give a fuck about the people, and only care about its effects on the election. Reps make a big deal out of nothing to use against dems, and dems concede to them.

    Just the usual ratchet effect

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      Go back and look at the '90s. Conservative Democrats are practically progressives by comparison.

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        90s Democrats gave us the Telecommunications Act of 1996, and they had previously agreed that yes, conservatives need a bigger voice in media and government. They literally laid the groundwork for fascism, like handing Hitler his PA system

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    Didn’t Biden call the dude and enemy of the state on a few occasions?

    Impeachment… Colluding with enemies of the state…

    I’m being facetious of course, I’d rather they break the tradition of trying to impeach every president on their way out the door, but still, how you gonna have a meeting with someone you yourself called an enemy of the state?

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      Because he knows Trump is going to Trump and refuse to work with him. Biden’s perspective= win win and shows the orange broke dumb shit is all smoke and mirrors.

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          Anyone paying attention has known that for decades. When Biden eulogized Strom Thurmond, he certainly didn’t do it out of a dislike for fascists.

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        I think that’s a little too advanced for Biden, but it wouldn’t surprise me that hear a staffer suggested exactly that… Don’t think much of Biden, but the current white house is doing damned well IMHO.

        I do sincerely hope trump opts out. None of his fan base is going to be affected in the slightest either way, because cult, but trump will think he’s god gift for participating, and his head is already way too fucking big.

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      The GOP as a whole is actively antagonistic with America. But you have to work with them if you want to get anything done.

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            The exact same way the GOP keeps getting things done: do not capitulate, and tell the people why the other side is wrong. Don’t say stupid shit like “we have to pass it to see what’s in it!!”

            Super easy, barely an inconveninece.

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              The GOP is mostly into destroying things through inaction, which needs very little work.

              To have a functional government to do good things is necessary.

              I think your ideas are a naive.

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    Trump: There’s no “me” in “work together.”

    Biden might as well try to convince a rock that it can jump if it tries really hard.

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      Are you suggesting BOTH SIDES might have terminal flaws contributing directly to the downfall of the American society?

      howdareyou.wav

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      He’s clearly just jerking the guy’s chain after he told his fellow magats to block the last border bill.

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      Just because you dislike both, doesn’t mean they’re the same.

      If Trump gets elected, he’s going to be reinstalling those deadly traps Texas put up. He’s going to shut down all the crossings he can. Closed border. He’s going to steal migrant children again. He’s going to come after DACA kids.

      They are not the same.

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    I love it. Make Trump and the GOP look like the obstructionists that they are.

    Both red and blue governors want some sort of way to handle the record number of people crossing right now. That bipartisan bill would’ve easily passed if it was brought to the floor. But if the border started to chill out, Trump wouldn’t be able to complain about the border at the podium.

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      “gonna own the people I keep calling a threat to democracy by doing exactly what they want and then telling them they’re stupid for not voting for it”

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        Biden HAS TO listen to the American people. And the American people are demanding that he do something. If he doesn’t, they will put in someone who does.

        Sure the GOP has forced the issue into people’s heads. But Biden HAS TO face that reality.

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            He’s fucked up with Gaza. It’s the one thing I think he has absolutely failed on. But I don’t think the politics are that straightforward with it. Demanding a total ceasefire probably isn’t good politics. And they wouldn’t stop anyways.

            Demanding a stoppage to the genocide is definitely good politics. But Biden has been a behind the scenes president which works better for influencing Republicans who will dig their heels in if called out. But it has failed here and he needs to acknowledge that. They haven’t listened to anything from him since the hostage release.

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              A total ceasefire is the only way to stop the genocide. Surely you realize this?

              Also, we can’t possibly know what’s happening behind the scenes. What his administration is saying is happening behind the scenes could very well be a total lie. Until I hear him publicly demand a ceasefire I’m going to assume that he supports the genocide.

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              Surely you can see how this comment is a severe contradiction to your original assertion, yes?

              Biden HAS TO listen to the American people.

              Does he ‘HAVE TO’ or not?

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          Wait, so now the GOP is reflecting reality that Biden has to face? Getting really confused over here and starting to feel like I don’t live in a democracy.

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            Did you just discover narratives? I can’t really telling because you said “GOP is reflecting” which isn’t really true and not what I said. But maybe that’s what you meant?

            Biden has to respond to the narrative. The narrative is there because of the GOP. They’re setting it.

            Democrats do the same. But they’re usually not as good at it since they are expected to be truthful.

            (eg GOP lies about immigrants being evil. DNC gives warnings about abortion that come true.)

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                They don’t do what the GOP wants. But they do have to respond to the narrative in some way. Otherwise the people will elect the GOP who will make things MUCH, MUCH worse.

                Same way that the GOP is now freaking out about IVF. Suddenly their anti-choice policies look so much worse. And if they don’t do something, more Democrats will be elected and we will enact more pro-choice legislation.

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          Democrats gave Republicans everything they wanted on the border in exchange for funding Ukraine

          And then orange man said no, so the Republicans said “well now I am not doing it”

          And so here we are, with both sidesists screaming that Biden has to do something about the “border crisis” when the Republicans have shot down their own bills

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            Both sides of voters were already screaming at Biden.

            If you think Republicans got everything they wanted, you’re really not paying attention to what they want.

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      “record number”

      Propaganda works, I see. Every election year.

      There is no border crisis and never has been.

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        Search for the public records around “US southern border encounters.” All of this stuff has been logged and quantified for decades. We’re up around 2.4m annual encounters. Previous large peaks hit 1.6m annually. During the Obama years it was floating around 0.4m annually.

        Pew has a good breakdown, but it hasn’t been updated for 2023. It ends at 2021, and things have only gone up since then.

        https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2021/11/09/whats-happening-at-the-u-s-mexico-border-in-7-charts/

        Many towns / states that support sanctuary are hitting budget ceilings for helping refugees and asylum-seekers. Racists and xenophobes have been crying wolf for decades, and unfortunately, that has made many people dismiss any “border crisis” claims they hear, even when the data supports the claim.

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          Chart really makes it looks like this happens every 10-20 years, and I doubt anything was changed those times it happened. The huge spike this time is because we had a global pandemic that started in 2020 and kept everything low

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            A lot of natural disasters drove people out of their own countries too. And they’re only becoming more frequent.

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          To bad that Americans are lazy worthless shits who wont fucking work. Let them in already; our fields need tending; our homes beed cleaning; and I need a taco truck on my street corner.

          There is no border crisis, and never has been.

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    Okay, so there’s a master example of how to finesse your opponent. The guy may be 81 years old, but his brain is working just fine.

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      Dude is the definition of speak softly and carry a big stick. He’s fucking smart. He’s done this type of stuff all term. It’s how he kept us from going into default.

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    Hahahaha now biden is interested on "talks’ about the border? F that guy… 4 years of open border and now he wants to talk about it because the election is coming. Screw him…

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        More like deranged and/or a victim of disinformation. The US-Mexican border is one of the most aggressively controlled borders between countries that aren’t at war in the entire world.

        It’s easier and less expensive (before interest and other predatory student loan fees, at least) to get into an Ivy League university as an American than it is to legally enter the US as a Mexican.

        As for undocumented immigrants, most of those are people from Europe and Canada who entered legally and then overstayed their visas.

        The amount of people crossing the Mexican border illegally is absolutely miniscule in comparison, but Mexicans and other people from Central and South America tend to have more melanin than Europeans and Canadians, which means racist Republicans fear and loathe them.

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          Oh no I definitely understand what’s happening but I just don’t think I will change their opinion in any meaningful way.

          research shows that people don’t change their opinions in the face of facts because political ideology is a fundamentally emotional thing. It’s a shame that tribalism is so deeply ingrained in humanity.

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            Yeah, it’s tragic how effective propaganda can be, especially when repeated over and over as fact by people you trust, like is the case with Faux News and the like and the open borders lie

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        open borders is when you keep all of Trump’s policies, deport more people than him, build his wall, and allow fascist Republican governors to build razor wire on the border and kidnap people

        these people are such rubes