FDO's conduct enforcement actions regarding Vaxry
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Like y’all keep posting about it, praising it, giving it free advertisement, and what not.

But the dev is a fascist, the discord server is a fascist bar, and the project thus is fascist.

I’ve met people who were harassed, I browsed through now deleted messages of Vaxry using slurrs and more.

So I wonder is if the people who post constantly about it know and are complicit, or just don’t know and would act otherwise?

It gets tiring to see the project be given “fame” when I know the roots of the plants are founded in toxicity & abuse.

  • patatahooligan@lemmy.world
    2·
    20 hours ago

    You don’t have to trust Drew, though. Vaxry is pretty clear on his stance on the subject.

    if I run a discord server around cultivating tomatoes, I should not exclude people based on their political beliefs, unless they use my discord server to spread those views.

    which means even if they are literally adolf hitler, I shouldn’t care, as long as they don’t post about gassing people on my server

    that is inclusivity

    Source: https://blog.vaxry.net/articles/2023-inclusiveActivists

    Note how this article is not where he first stated the above. This article is where he doubles down on the above statement in the face of criticism. In the rest of the article he presents nazism as an opinion people might have that you disagree with. He argues that his silent acceptance of nazis is the morally correct stance while inclusive communities are toxic actually.

    This means that it’s not just Drew or the FDO who are arguing that Vaxry’s complete lack of political stance is creating safe spaces for fascists. It’s Vaxry himself that explicitly states this is happening and that it’s intentional on his part.

    • TMP_NKcYUEoM7kXg4qYe@lemmy.world
      1·
      10 minutes ago

      unless they use my discord server to spread those views

      To me that’s not controversial at all and does not suggest in the slightest that he’s a fascist, National Socialist or whatever. And he isn’t creating “safe spaces” for these kind of people either. A safe space to me means a place where said people can express their (stupid) opinion freely, which Vaxry according to this statement does not support. Also I don’t have the exact quote but in a different episode of his blogpost saga he claimed that when some person was transphobic, said person was banned. So that would also be supporting evidence that he does not create safe spaces for bigots.

      If we’re talking strictly hypothetically, I’m a worse person than Vaxry because unlike me, he claims not to allow bigots to express their opinions in his dicksword server, while I am engaging in communication in a Lemmy community where being a fan of Mao or Stalin is allowed.

      In the rest of the article he presents nazism as an opinion people might have that you disagree with.

      He didn’t say anything about Nazism being an opinion you disagree with.

      He argues that his silent acceptance of nazis is the morally correct stance while inclusive communities are toxic actually.

      He does argue that his stance is morally correct but what you said is not his stance. I think the following quote implies the point he’s trying to make.

      It’s important to note that there are many people who disagree on topics like religion, economic systems, LGBT issues, geopolitics, and other. For whatever reasons they may, we still should not ostracize them as long as they can interact with the FOSS community in a respectful manner, without arguing about those issues in places not meant for such discussions.

      I think his point is that him disallowing ostracising of people creates communities that tolerate all kinds of people including say, LGBT people. The Nazis would be collateral damage of inclusiveness, I suppose. I’m naming specifically LGBT, since in a different quote he’s talking about illegal things in Hungary, which is famously a highly LGBT-discriminating country in the EU:

      I stand by my stance that even if you are something that the country I live in disagrees with, you still are free to use, contribute to, and be a part of the greater FOSS community.

      Also part of his point is that just because someone claims some other person is a bigot, does not mean that’s actually true. The former person could just be lying or otherwise twisting the truth, therefore it’s important to be inclusive:

      They will try and find things that you do outside of your proffessional persona, or often infer, guess, meddle with, or lie about what you say and stand for.