I really wonder what industry y’all work in that you think the entire energy grid and vehicle fleet can be remade in 4 years.
Don’t worry protest voters, we may be able to start from scratch again in another 4 years.
I see Lemmy’s famous misreading is happening. I want environmental policy. But I know things take time. People that think everything can be remade in 4 years don’t know how big industry is and how much work it takes.
Oh yeah we will just keep waiting and watch them do significantly less than the bare minimum until the famines begin to finally affect us. Then, we will do something about it I’m sure.
Every time they run on an environmental policy, they lose. Every time they implement an environmental policy, they lose. And you’re amazed they aren’t gun ho about it? Like they just lost despite the green energy in the IRA. And Trump won with drill baby drill. Do you think Dems will run on it next time? Fuck no they won’t. They won’t touch it with 10 foot pole. They will run on “It’s the economy, stupid.” If you want environmental policy, you need to give them consistent and overwhelming victories.
Yeah so we should dismantle our political parties. They clearly don’t care about us and are willing to let us die horrible deaths. They do not serve us, they serve their donors and we put up with it for now.
History tells me revolution is always believed to impossible until it happens and is believed have been inevitable. It is socialism or barbarism and I certainly prefer the former
Gore ran on environmentalism. And bam he lost the election.
So what did Obama learn? Don’t touch it. Not one bit. And he won.
Hillary said maybe now is the time, she said she’d have a map room. She declared war on climate change. And bam she lost the election.
So what did Biden learn? Don’t touch it. Don’t say one word. And he won. But Biden did green energy anyway. And what did polls say? That he was going to lose the election.
So what did Kamala learn? There is no thanks for it. Don’t run on it. It doesn’t get anything.
And what won the election? “It’s the economy, stupid”. No one is running on environmentalism for a long time.
The best we can hope for is that Dems win without running on it, and do it anyway just like Biden did.
Where did I say we didn’t? Holy Lemmy never lets me down in how you misread.
The problem is everyone expects the Dems to solve it in one term. Now it’s Biden’s fault that he didn’t solve it in his one term. You know, remake the entire energy grid and turn over the entire vehicle fleet in his 4 years.
4 years? Climate scientists have been warning the world about climate change for about half a century, and urgently for a few decades. Bill Nye specifically has videos going back at least 13 years.
Don’t just blame the 2017-2021 Trump presidency either for the current high, if that is what you mean by your “reworking the energy grid/vehicles in 4 years” argument. US oil production was at its lowest since about 1950 under Bush Jr. then climbed again dramatically through Obama’s 2 terms. Then the Biden presidency started after a year of “low” production (that was actually higher than anything pre-2017) before climbing again steeply during the last 4 years. This is a problem of both parties, and the worst of it has happened in the last 13 years of which 9 were under a Dem president.
The chain is about Biden and his 4 years. People want the Dems to solve the whole literal problem in their term. In the case of Biden, it was 4 years. 2 years really when you consider he only had the House or Reps for 2 years.
Both parties? We all know the GOP isn’t going to do shit. They will do the exact opposite, actually. So it’s only Dems.
Past that I have no idea what point you’re trying to make. US oil production is not US oil usage. It was the fracking boom that increased production. As for dips, then there was the 2008 great recession and covid which changed everything for a few years each. Like you’re focused on wrong fry, small fry, and taking it out of context. Obama? Guess what Obama learned from Gore? That running on an environmental policy was a losing proposition. He focused on health care. His thanks for that was to lose the house for the next 6 years. Guess the left didn’t want anything for 6 years of his presidency.
Explain. Do you think the oil disappears or doesn’t affect climate because it’s not burned in the US? Why wouldn’t I hold US policymakers accountable for oil being produced under their watch, even if it is exported?
As for dips, then there was the 2008 great recession and covid which changed everything for a few years each.
Look at the chart. The decline started in the mid-80’s, and reached the bottom in 2005. By about 2001 it was the lowest since 1950. Years before the 2008 crash. You are right that the drop during Trump’s last year coincides with the onset of COVID, but it rises again as early as the summer of 2020. And continues unabated into Biden’s presidency and last year.
That running on an environmental policy was a losing proposition.
Obama was already elected into his 2nd term when oil production started climbing quicker than ever before at the end of 2012. Campaign strategy was over by then.
Nothing I’m seeing in the data suggests that Dems were meaningfully impeding/capping oil production. You may say it’s because the environment is a losing political proposition (and you may be right). But in doing so you’re just assigning a reason for the trends and timing that show dual-party responsibility.
Remember when Reagan took the solar panels off the White House? After Jimmy Carter was talking about how important the environment is? This fight has been so much longer than that. Its been over fifty years.
I really wonder what industry y’all work in that you think the entire energy grid and vehicle fleet can be remade in 4 years.
Don’t worry protest voters, we may be able to start from scratch again in another 4 years.
I see Lemmy’s famous misreading is happening. I want environmental policy. But I know things take time. People that think everything can be remade in 4 years don’t know how big industry is and how much work it takes.
Oh yeah we will just keep waiting and watch them do significantly less than the bare minimum until the famines begin to finally affect us. Then, we will do something about it I’m sure.
Every time they run on an environmental policy, they lose. Every time they implement an environmental policy, they lose. And you’re amazed they aren’t gun ho about it? Like they just lost despite the green energy in the IRA. And Trump won with drill baby drill. Do you think Dems will run on it next time? Fuck no they won’t. They won’t touch it with 10 foot pole. They will run on “It’s the economy, stupid.” If you want environmental policy, you need to give them consistent and overwhelming victories.
Yeah so we should dismantle our political parties. They clearly don’t care about us and are willing to let us die horrible deaths. They do not serve us, they serve their donors and we put up with it for now.
So your solution is to instead do something impossible and definitely won’t happen. Right.
History tells me revolution is always believed to impossible until it happens and is believed have been inevitable. It is socialism or barbarism and I certainly prefer the former
When has someone from the two major parties ran on environmental policy?
We can see the entire history.
Gore ran on environmentalism. And bam he lost the election.
So what did Obama learn? Don’t touch it. Not one bit. And he won.
Hillary said maybe now is the time, she said she’d have a map room. She declared war on climate change. And bam she lost the election.
So what did Biden learn? Don’t touch it. Don’t say one word. And he won. But Biden did green energy anyway. And what did polls say? That he was going to lose the election.
So what did Kamala learn? There is no thanks for it. Don’t run on it. It doesn’t get anything.
And what won the election? “It’s the economy, stupid”. No one is running on environmentalism for a long time.
The best we can hope for is that Dems win without running on it, and do it anyway just like Biden did.
Buddy. We’ve known about this problem since the 1970’s.
Where did I say we didn’t? Holy Lemmy never lets me down in how you misread.
The problem is everyone expects the Dems to solve it in one term. Now it’s Biden’s fault that he didn’t solve it in his one term. You know, remake the entire energy grid and turn over the entire vehicle fleet in his 4 years.
4 years? Climate scientists have been warning the world about climate change for about half a century, and urgently for a few decades. Bill Nye specifically has videos going back at least 13 years.
Don’t just blame the 2017-2021 Trump presidency either for the current high, if that is what you mean by your “reworking the energy grid/vehicles in 4 years” argument. US oil production was at its lowest since about 1950 under Bush Jr. then climbed again dramatically through Obama’s 2 terms. Then the Biden presidency started after a year of “low” production (that was actually higher than anything pre-2017) before climbing again steeply during the last 4 years. This is a problem of both parties, and the worst of it has happened in the last 13 years of which 9 were under a Dem president.
I think you’ve horribly misread what I said.
The chain is about Biden and his 4 years. People want the Dems to solve the whole literal problem in their term. In the case of Biden, it was 4 years. 2 years really when you consider he only had the House or Reps for 2 years.
Both parties? We all know the GOP isn’t going to do shit. They will do the exact opposite, actually. So it’s only Dems.
Past that I have no idea what point you’re trying to make. US oil production is not US oil usage. It was the fracking boom that increased production. As for dips, then there was the 2008 great recession and covid which changed everything for a few years each. Like you’re focused on wrong fry, small fry, and taking it out of context. Obama? Guess what Obama learned from Gore? That running on an environmental policy was a losing proposition. He focused on health care. His thanks for that was to lose the house for the next 6 years. Guess the left didn’t want anything for 6 years of his presidency.
Explain. Do you think the oil disappears or doesn’t affect climate because it’s not burned in the US? Why wouldn’t I hold US policymakers accountable for oil being produced under their watch, even if it is exported?
Look at the chart. The decline started in the mid-80’s, and reached the bottom in 2005. By about 2001 it was the lowest since 1950. Years before the 2008 crash. You are right that the drop during Trump’s last year coincides with the onset of COVID, but it rises again as early as the summer of 2020. And continues unabated into Biden’s presidency and last year.
Obama was already elected into his 2nd term when oil production started climbing quicker than ever before at the end of 2012. Campaign strategy was over by then.
Nothing I’m seeing in the data suggests that Dems were meaningfully impeding/capping oil production. You may say it’s because the environment is a losing political proposition (and you may be right). But in doing so you’re just assigning a reason for the trends and timing that show dual-party responsibility.
… I’ve never been at a bigger loss for words.
You have a lot to learn.
BTW, are you trying to say US oil usage has dropped? I looked that up and it’s not what’s happening.
4-10% of oil goes to plastic. Oil storage reserves are full and significant capacity isn’t being added.
So your critic is right. Oil produced is oil burned. If not in the US than elsewhere which affects global warming just the same.
Other than that I agree with everything else you said.
Then is not than, Christ.
How about explain where the surplus non burned oil is going instead of criticizing grammar.
The OP is extraordinarily wrong and won’t explain himself.
I’m criticizing the stupid fact that apparently no one fucking knows the difference in two basic words now
Remember when Reagan took the solar panels off the White House? After Jimmy Carter was talking about how important the environment is? This fight has been so much longer than that. Its been over fifty years.
Sigh. People are blaming Biden because he didn’t solve it in his 4 years. “We elected him why isn’t it solved?!? Protest no vote!”