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I’ve literally had this argument on lemmy multiple times. It always goes like this:
Me: [some comment to the effect of “the planet is dying”]
Them: the planet will be fine. Yes all life will perish, but the earth itself will continue.
Me: . . .
Them: What. It’s just the fact. Don’t worry about the planet.
Sometimes they quote Carlin without realizing it and without context so to them it’s not a joke about how fucked up we are, it’s a simple truth without any additional layers. It’s a little boggling.
Yes all life will perish, but the earth itself will continue.
Why would all life perish? From what I’ve heard and read about nuclear disaster exclusion zones, humans disappearing tends to make space for other forms of life that had previously been displaced by cities full of humans and such. To my understanding long time life probably won’t care about anything for the next few million years.
Short term many or most humans might die or suffer. I don’t think it’s easy to predict how fragile humankind is, civilization may crumble. I doubt all of humankind will be gone in a thousand years, though I wouldn’t bet against a semi “post apocalyptic” future.
Because the threat is not a nuclear winter. It’s the disruption of all environmental systems that regulate the planet that is the threat in question. Which, in turn, disrupts the food chain, which starves whatever requires that food, which is for all intents and purposes, all life.
I don’t understand how this is such a conversation with so many people here.
Well disruptions of a system eventually lead to new, different forms of stability where things will settle down. I can’t imagine life is as fragile as you make it.
Having the ability to kill all complex life sounds like a misconception humans made up. After all, humankind always liked feeling important, feeling special and putting itself in the center: pretending they life at the center of a disc, pretending the whole universe revolves around the planet, pretending only human bodies were inhabited by an eternal soul, pretending an all-powerful being cared about them, pretending they’re the peak of evolution, pretending machines could never outperform them.
Humans always try to find new things that make them unique and set them apart from other forms of life. Yet they keep getting disproven.
Ach.
It’s also true. It’s a great way to bring home the reality to people who still think climate science is about preserving some wetlands while we continue as normal.
I don’t know, whenever I hear such arguing it makes me feel like it emphasises the issues we as humanity have gotten into, not belittles.
I mean, hearing “everything is doomed” is kind of epic and has it’s charm. Hearing “only the humanity is doomed” makes me feel shitty and want to do something about that.
tangentially related, CW: suicide
Probably the same way one of the suicide prevention methods is de-romanticization of death, a lot of people expect death to be pretty, and it’s not
‘Everything is doomed’ is epic and has charm, but ‘humanity is doomed’ moves you to action.
Okay. I mean. Whatever gets the action i guess.
Epic and has charm?? I don’t . . . Its . .
Remember how everyone was expecting the end of the world in 2012, kind of like that.
I personally don’t find it romantic anymore
everyone*
*Exceptions may apply
Ah yes, Venus. Famously teeming with life.
teeming
I heard Venus never even had an infection of a biological nature.
Also, nobody is gay on Venus because Venus doesn’t have rainbows.
Wait a minute, Venus sounds like the perfect place for conservatives! Elon, get your starship up and running and take all your buddies and musketeers to Venus! Please! I promise all liberals will stay here.
no one in venus ever had cancer
“If we stopped testing right now, we’d have very few cases, if any.”
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Donald TrumpVenus
All women AND men came from Venus. Long ago. They had to leave their home planet cause of the climate crisis there. They modified the next planet in row to fit their purposes and continued to make profits there. And as a joke the leader of the immigrants named the next planet ‘Earth’, cause it was covered with water 70+ % and blamed women only to come from Venus and having destroyed the planet by buying too few shoes and clothing, cosmetic products and wanting equal rights. To show men were totally innocent, he took the planet on the other side of new home and named it after his favorite chocolate bar to show how innocent, really innocent the men were. Back then. Ah, yes, forgot. The immigrants were only 1% of the population of Venus. But they brought all their important shiny stuff with them. All the gold, all the gems, though forgot to bring blueprints of their technologies, technics and knowledge. So they had to invent every little piece of shit over and over again …
It’s always good to have life on your team.
that is like, your opinion OK??
“But the planet is still there.”
Check and mate! I feel so PWN3D. You see? If you don’t mind not breathing, carbon dioxide isn’t so bad after all!
Technically correct
The best kind of correct
Milloy has been spouting denial for decades, but this might be the dumbest thing I’ve seen him say yet.
Now lets compare the lifeform counts in both planets
Women are from Venus check mate.
From. They all had to leave
Technically correct, the best kind of correct. Also, this is trolling.
Ask Elon to shoot him to Venus for a brighter future. Plzzzzzzzz!
This has to be satire. There is no way…
Oh. Earth will be fine, then? Now we can breathe easy.
Everyone seems to be taking this seriously. Am I the only one here that reads this as sarcasm?
You might also be the only on here who didn’t read his bio.
FYI: I think the estimate is that humans can burn all of the fossil fuels that exist several times over and still not hit the critical tipping point that leads to Venus. So Venus is not really on the table as a worst case scenario.
I heard we can cause widespread suffering and death for all animals in the greedy, blinkered pursuit of ever more money and it’ll be fine. Scientifically, of course.
Care to post some Venusian blurbs to drive your point?
He could also shoot himself in the head. The surprising part? He’s still there. Maybe not much alive, but still there.
