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      40% of cops!

      But for this one, please don’t actually assume it’s your friend timmy’s dad, folks.

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    Fuck inter-city express (ICE)? Yeah i agree the Deutsche Bahn is horrible & unreliable. Also their trains are always late.

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    It doesn’t, though.

    The problem is the institution, not the nice people that think being a cop is a good way to make societies better.

    There’s shitty cops, and the command chain that does nothing about it. That’s the problem.

    Antagonising common peoples dads, and the people trying to be nice cops,and failing, is not the way.

    We have to point at the right problem. And if you point at the corrupt chain of command nice cops will back you up.

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      Every “good cop” is one that looks the other way when the bad cops do bad cop things. Or they are actively in the process of being harassed out of the department for “making trouble”.

      Though it should also be said that the modem anti-cop movement comes from the correct understanding that their primary purpose is to protect private property interests, not your safety. Even the theoretical “nice” cop is spending their time, effort, and focus on store break-ins and broken windows and harassing homeless people that a business owner calls an “eyesore” or worse. But again, if they don’t carry water for the rest of their gang members that “nice” cop is getting kicked out of the department.

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        Well, I get it. There’s better places to spend ones time than being a nice cop.

        Either they comply of they’re out. But… You know. People are pressured to pay for housing, and food, and health. Maybe they’re paying for someone’s cancer treatment in their family. And cop work pays well.

        People don’t have much of a choice. We’re all fucked. But individuals are not the problem here. The system is. The chain of command is. Capitalism is.

        Fuck the police, as the repression apparatus for the bonjoursie state. Care for the people.

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          Everyone has the choice to not consciously oppress other people.

          Cops have both individual and systemic roles in oppression.

          If you do work irl the cops will eventually use their violence on you.

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      “the problem is the institution, not the people actively participating in the institution in exchange for money and power” what

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        If money wasn’t needed. If people had access to dignified work to pay for housing, food and health, they would have a choice.

        Cop work is always available, on a very low entry bar, paying generally better than equivalent positions elsewhere. And shitty people get to vent their violence unchecked.

        Nice cops “just” have to sell their should a bit. Some people get desperate and are willing to pay the consciousness price.

        In my opinion these positions shouldn’t even be available, the whole chain of command should be replaced by people representing the oppressed classes, committed to ending oppression.

        I’m not defending police, I just think the criticism has to focus on the institution problem, not at the individual problem. Individuals are insignificant in the grand scheme of things, systems are everything.

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          Sure, like any other wildly unethical job there’s a spectrum of different people’s privilege and ability to easily cut out to a less cartoonishly evil job – I would hold Person A with a background in cybersecurity and no dependants a lot more responsible for every day they remain a cop than Person B who joined police academy straight out of high school and is supporting 5 children etc.

          But saying that Person B should be excluded from “fuck cops” – that is, that there should be an exception to the general cultural work of making it socially unacceptable to be part of a murderous, racist, unjust, reactionary paid army – is supporting the institution that you’re claiming to be against. Waiting until a complete societal transformation before campaigning for people to not take blood money (your euphemistic “consciousness price”) is valuing Person B’s economic solvency over the lives of the people they (or, being generous, just their colleagues) will harass, target, frame, and even kill.

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    Not just the police and ICE but don’t forget fuck USCIS, USBP, CBSA, etc.

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    I explained to a police officer in my beer sharing circles during the George Floyd protests:

    Damn near every kid in a high school cafeteria knows who the bad kids are and what tables they sit at. It’s no different anywhere in the real world. Every cop at every precinct knows which cops are the bad ones.

    Unlike a highschool cafeteria, you, as a police officer, have a civic, professional, and moral duty to do everything in your power to get those cops kicked the fuck out. And the idea that doing so might somehow harm your career? That’s why “all cops are bastards.” It’s rotten from the top down. A few bad apples, in the case of police officers, spoils the whole bunch.

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      Systems can be bad, and the people who support and work within bad systems are bad, even if they act nice outside of that system.

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        I disagree with the second part. That means everybody living in a first world country is inherently a bad person just by accident of their birth location. We’re well past the point of choosing whether or not we participate in most systems, and at the end of the day, somebody needs to do the job of law enforcement.

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          People choose to be cops. Choosing which country you live in is a luxury most can’t afford.

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            Ok then, so people who vote in US elections are inherently evil? - a more analogous example

            People who consume bananas are inherently evil?

            People that have smartphones are inherently evil?

            Those things are all choices. How about another one? Lithium mining is a bad system that negatively impacts the environment. Therefore, people that buy electric cars are evil and bad for the environment, right?!?

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              Becoming a cop is a life change, voting is standard, as is consuming bananas and using smartphones.

              Deliberately choosing to become a cop is bad, because there are a wealth of alternatives. Not true for voting, bananas, smartphones, or cars.

              A small subset of humans become cops, it isn’t a thing someone just chances into

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        I agree with the first part, not the second. All those black kids who end up in the military because of poverty are not all evil. But you’re right about the system so work to change that rather than damning a whole class of people.