• Beryl@lemmy.world
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    Not only do you write the article for free, they will also charge you for the privilege of publishing in their journal.

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      Depends on the publishing method you choose. If you want free for readers, authors pay. If you want free publishing, readers pay. Reviewers never get paid. Editors get paid shit. Journals profit massively for doing barely anything. Terrible in all directions. Preprint servers are the future

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        I mean, ok, then, I, a taxpayer, want free access to the document I paid for.

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      They even have the “whale” concept where they charge more for graphs and pictures and even more for *gasp* colored versions of same.

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      Yes. However, if you find a paper or study you’re interested in reading, reach out to the researcher directly. More often than not, they’re happy to provide you with a copy for free, in my experience.

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        I did this once. They wouldn’t give me a copy, I didn’t push it because they were retired and did try to give me advice about contacting librarians to add the journal to their subscription.

        I do imagine younger people publishing more recent work would be more open to sharing their work.

        For anyone else seeing this the university of the author often also publishes their papers free access. Even when the journal the paper is published in is paywalled. So it’s worth checking that. This is especially the case if the work was funded by bodies that require open access.

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          That’s wild. I’ve always sent people copies when they reach out. It’s especially easy to do so with ResearchGate, but that does require the requester make an account there.

          Another option is to ask a librarian to find that specific article, rather than getting them to subscribe to the journal. I had to do this once in grad school for an article in a discontinued journal from the 70s. The librarian found another library that had it and they faxed a copy.

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          That’s good advice. Have you found that there’s peer-review included when it’s university published? I’ve only received original research from contacting the researcher directly.

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            Have you found that there’s peer-review included when it’s university published?

            Not comment-OP, but there are different levels:

            • “pre-print” means that it hasn’t been submitted yet, hasn’t been peer-reviewed yet, and hasn’t been accepted yet.
            • “post-print” means that it’s been peer-reviewed, revised, and the content is ready to publish, but it hasn’t been formatted to be in the journal.
            • “version of record” is the published version. this is called “camera-ready” if it’s waiting to be published.

            Depending on the contract signed, the academic scammers publishers will usually let the researcher publish the paper on their own web site or university site or repository like arxiv.org. If it’s the pre-print, it may be available before publication, but if it’s the post-print or version of record, this may be only after a certain period of time has passed.

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            The articles published to the journal. That’s where the peer review happens. The university will then host a copy of the published paper with open access. The university doesn’t peer review this, it just provides the hosting. Often the motivation for doing this is compliance with open access. Many areas have well regarded journals that authors want to publish in that are closed, but the research is funded on the condition of open access.

            These papers hosted by the university may have different formatting, but will have the same content. They are often harder to find as the references will be to the same paper published in the journal. Some paper search engines will include links to the university’s free access page, but you often have to search separately on a general purpose search engine to find that copy.

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              In my time looking for published papers, I have only very rarely seen papers which are also hosted by the university of the author. I suspect in your case it was hosted because of something specific to the school or the author, rather than a general thing.

              What I am seeing more often in my field is people posting a version of the paper on “arxiv”. This is a similar open-access approach, but you do have to be careful with arxiv papers as you can post anything on it, including work that never was or will be peer-reviewed.

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    The new model is actually to charge the author a shitton of money (think thousands of dollars) after the paper has been accepted. After it should be accessible through

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    Not to argue on behalf of publishers, but the papers aren’t written for free. It’s part of the job of being a researcher, it’s a significant KPI for which you’re hired and receive a wage.

    Reviewing for free is pretty much bullshit though. As is paying to read them afterwards, if your research institution doesn’t pay to publish in an open access journal

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      It’s not the publishers paying the researcher’s salaries, they’re mostly paid by public institutions and receive funding from government grants. If anything, bl researcher pay structure should result in open access publication.

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        I didn’t say it was the publisher’s paying the salaries. My point is that researcher are paid to research, and publishing results is part of that.

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          Yes, but this really does just mean we should have a government provided publisher for government funded research. I paid for this research every 4/15 and i shouldn’t have to pay again if I want to see it

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            Sure, that would work. Or government grants available so anyone who wants to be an editor can apply for funds to get it going. Papers are rarely printed on paper nowadays, so the main costs would be paying editors, paying reviewers, and web hosting.

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      I was hired to teach at a non-research college… except admin are trying to finnegal us into doing off-contract studies and publishing, moving forward. So yes, in the worst cases, it’s done even off-wage.

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        Yup, been there, but the other side of it. Was hired to do research and then teaching suddenly appeared as an expectation.