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Ok fuck it.
Tell me why i shouldn’t go for this as my next daily driver after one MBP after another for over 15 yrs. I’m serious.
I think you might need more storage.
Wow thats a both pricey and monstrous specs (IDK about the proc but seems like a beast too!).
What’s the 3 x 1TB cards? SSDs ??
This was me, basically.
I had a Thinkpad X1 Carbon Gen 10 that, by the books, should have been a beast with good Linux support to boot. I tried for so long, but ended up replacing it with a Framework.
The thermal management on the Thinkpad is awful, under Linux at least but by all accounts attributable to the EC itself. Running the most basic workload would cause the CPU to spike for about one second before it would throttle all cores back to 400 MHz where they would stay locked for the next few minutes despite the CPU temps remaining at 50-60°C the entire time.
And it wasn’t just me, numerous reports from all over. This made the system nearly useless. I shared pages of diagnostic info with them and they just seemed completely uninterested in trying to do anything about it.
Spec’d out equivalently, the Framework 16 (without GPU) is no more expensive than the X1 Carbon but with even better Linux support and unsurpassable upgradeability. I’m glad my company was onboard for me to switch.
This is the first time I’m hearing about Framework. Is it worth it? I’m looking for a new laptop anyway
Best laptop I’ve had so far, but they’re quite expensive for their performance tier. The expectation is that you’d never replace it, so theoretically the cost pays itself off over time, but that would assume that you are able and willing to do that sort of long term maintenance.
Basically, I would only recommend it if you were a tinkerer.
I disagree on the comment about cost disparity. Spec’d equivalently, even the Framework 16 (without GPU) is no more expensive than the smaller ThinkPad X1 Carbon. The more comparative Framework 13 even less so.
The modular ports (and GPU on the 16) are a nice bonus, but I agree that the largest attraction is for the tinkerer.
I think the fact that it is easily upgradable makes it a clear winner on the merits alone.
I love it, it’s amazing.
I do have the first generation which has a battery drain issue, which has since been fixed.
I always use my hardware for a looong time, but I look forward to only having to replace the main mobo and not the screen or keyboard when I do need an upgrade.
And even when you want to replace your main board, you can take the old one, 3D print or buy this Cooler Master case, and turn it into a relatively powerful server or HTPC or K8s node or whatever.
If there was enough demand for those keyboard nipples, certainly someone could make a keyboard to slot in.
The newer Thinkpads are a tad better, but honestly, if I had money, IDGAF about them, and I’ll pick Framework 16 any day.
Something some thinkpad users value a lot is the trackpoint. I’m seriously considering breaking a 4 thinkpad (3 X2x0, one X1 carbon) spree with a 13" framework but not having trackpoint is a big issue for me. I’m using the fact my X1 is still fast enough for my use to wait and hope for framework to get a trackpoint. There’re more people in the same boat in framework’s forums.
E16s and shit are good. Doesnt really beat my old one. I’d be willing to throw framework on a laptop.
If you like anonymity, then the Retro thinkpads should still be the best as they are numerous and hardware profiling is useless (if you are a TAILS or tor user – “Windows” everywhere!).
Also, check out the “hardware compatibility list” from Qubes OS (they’ve got an endorsement from Snowden right on their homepage). The i5 and i7 Intel CPUs virtualize and are very well understood by people that work with Xen. Notice how Intel just crashed with the latest generation CPU lines. Just because it is brand new, doesn’t mean it is highest security and reliability. (For example, nuclear silos sometimes still use floppies and are air gap compartmentalized with people in the loop. Might not be best for all the nukes to be on skynet and latest videogame capable. Depends on what you are doing for what is “best.”)
Modularity on Framework is pretty cool though.
You’re being downvoted, but you’re not wrong. At least in the case of the Ethernet module, which most people aren’t going to leave plugged in most of the time.
The utility in the ports being modular is more so in the initial configurability at purchase rather than swapping them out by the user on a regular basis.
But having a laptop with 4/6 USB-C is pretty nice. Add on the fact that my dongles don’t dangle and it is even cooler.
So your criticism is them offering an Ethernet port add-on that fits into their modular system but is slightly larger than the rest?
Is that right?
That’s for a second ethernet port right?
Nope on the framework 13, with an exception on the audio jack, is modular so you can swap it with another module
Just me but I’d prefer a small rj45 than that quite spacey box IMO, but guess wifi only people prefer it :-)
This is like saying that a penis and a “vagina” are the same thing because they are both sex organs that you pee from… You’re not technically wrong but most people would agree there is a pretty big difference between the two.
