Maven, a new social network backed by OpenAI’s Sam Altman, found itself in a controversy today when it imported a huge amount of posts and profiles from the Fediverse, and then ran AI analysis to alter the content.
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I looked at their site and thought: What a #!@$ stupid idea.
The whole thing stinks of Twitter brain. “Follow topics, not people”? So what you’re saying is that the null brains on Twitter are far too focused on whenever one of the Kardassians farts to focus on anything real?
Puhh-lease. The Fediverse isn’t about that all.
Hard pass.
To be honest, the extreme negative reaction was a surprise to me, as I thought interaction between disparate systems was the entire point, but clearly we didn’t navigate the culture correctly.
Noooo fucking shit? If they spent more than a minute on a proper instance and not
milquetoastmastodon dot social, they would have realised that a good number of fedi users despise shenanigans like this?Hmmm it was even able to pull in private DMs.
Maybe private DMs on Mastadon aren’t as private as everyone thinks… that, or the open nature of Activity Pub is leaking them somehow?
The shocking part was less about Maven’s methods or lack of ethics, and more along the lines of “How the fuck did they do that?!”
What @delirious_owl@discuss.online seemed to be implying is that direct messages on Mastodon should be considered “public” rather than “private”.
I’m assuming that’s along the same lines of how Lemmy users generally think that their upvotes/downvotes are private when in reality, if you know how to look for them, you can see them.
I don’t think we should expect privacy from either. Instead, we need better documentation.
Personally, I’d appreciate to see a public dashboard displaying everyone’s DMs and upvotes would help.
They’re called DMs not PMs
PM never implied any form of end to end encryption. It only ever meant people couldn’t see it apart from site operators. I genuinely don’t believe people thought it meant otherwise.
But on a federated system, everyone can see all messages. That’s expected.
No, should just be your instance admin and the admin of the instance your messaging.
They’re called DMs not PMs
? Did you mean that the other way around? And if you did… forgive me, I don’t really use Mastodon. I was never much of a twitter fan. I don’t really like how all of my likes are public (although I guess I have had to get used to that with Lemmy).
No. They’re direct. They’re not private.
Ah, I see. So it’s the same mistake that Lemmy users make when thinking that Upvotes/Downvotes aren’t public.
It sounds like DMs on Mastodon are public, but are commonly mistaken to be private then?
I don’t know why anyone would think any of this stuff is private. It can be pseudonyms, but that’s up to you.
Why would you expect anything they you post on social media to be private? I don’t get it.
You missed the point. It is not about if it is private or not, it is how they use it. You are allowed (on some pages) to read news article. Are you allowed to copy and publish them on your own site? No. You have a Copyright on your posts same as a author has on his books.
If it is legal or not is still to be discussed.
Similar to how data was mined (or even still is) about users without consent. Now there is for example the GDPR.
We should definitely be copying and pasting authwalled news articles. Do what’s right, not what’s legal.
