Context: Chat Control 2.0: EU governments set to approve the end of private messaging and secure encryption

“By making a minor concession EU governments hope to find a majority next week to approve the controversial ‘chat control’ bill. According to the proposed child sexual abuse regulation (CSAR), providers of messengers, e-mail and chat services would be forced to automatically search all private messages and photos for suspicious content and report it to the EU. To find a majority for this unprecedented mass surveillance, the EU Council Presidency proposed Tuesday that the scanners would initially search for previously classified CSAM only, and even less reliable technology to classify unknown imagery or conversations would be reserved to a later stage. The proposed „deal“ will be discussed by ambassadors tomorrow and could be adopted by ministers next week.”

Source: https://www.patrick-breyer.de/en/chat-control-2-0-eu-governments-set-to-approve-the-end-of-private-messaging-and-secure-encryption/

  • Starkstruck@lemmy.world
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    11 months ago

    Criminals aren’t going to be using services that comply anyways. They’ll have their own underground ones. This is just a violation of regular citizens rights.

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    11 months ago

    This seems to be a general theme. Those arguing loudest for better privacy are really saying “only we should be allowed to invade your privacy”. See: Google, Apple, the EU

  • frazw@lemmy.world
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    1: “… and then we’ll be able to stop terrorist attacks. Simple”.

    2: “ok but if you put a back door into encryption, won’t others be able to find it?"

    1: "no we’ll be the only ones with the key. Great huh?“

    2: “and you don’t think the key will be leaked or be hacked?”

    1: “I said we’ll be the only ones with the key.”

    2: “so what’s your plan to make sure the key stays secure”

    1: “…”

    2: “what’s your contingency plan if the key *is * hacked or leaked?”

    1:“…”

    1: "I SAID WE’LL BE THE ONLY ONES WITH THE KEY. "

    2: “…”

    1: “don’t you want to protect our children ??”

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      11 months ago

      And even that’s only in the optimistic situation where you can always fully trust “1”, also in the future.

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    With a little knowledge, it’s not very hard to make your own messaging app and share it with those you know. And there’s plenty projects online that give you what you need without having to write the code yourself. Alternatively, there’s just plenty dark web and under the radar apps already that won’t bend to this ruling.

    What it is, though, is very inconvenient and annoying to do so.

    But if you’re an actual criminal, then there is this solution here that can never be subject to this ruling.

    So what this clearly means is that the EU will violate the privacy of all the everyday people that don’t handle that inconvenience, pushing the serious criminals to dark channels.

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      11 months ago

      This law has nothing to do with CSAM or child abuse prevention. “Think of the Children” is just an effective rallying point because, of course, no one wants to come out against it publicly. The Surveillance State grows.

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    Here’s what this bill does for children: reduces pedos from sharing images of them yay! Here’s also what it does for Children: un-encrypts their chats so pedos know what they are doing, where they are, who they are with, what they like, their vulnerabilities and much much more. Trading safety for a viewing crackdown. Congratulations